In blogger Rocky Bru's post here, and following a commentator's suggestion, he proposed that the Government appoints a foreign pathologist /forensic expert to do the second autopsy with Dr Pornthip. In the interest of justice, there should not be any reason for opposing the proposal.
But what interests me more was Rocky's reference to My Sinchew's article, "Wanted: Pornthip's head!" which contained the following short paragraph:
Thanks to the intervention by Pornthip to conduct a second post-mortem on a wealthy Thai MP back in 1999, earlier police reports pointing at him committing suicide was overturned, resulting in a drastic twist in the development of the case.
Sinchew did not elaborate further. It was referring to the high profile case of a powerful and wealthy Thai Member of Parliament, Hangthong Thammawattana. However, what Sinchew reported was in fact only a small part of the story. The full story of the case, which surprisingly was not covered extensively by bloggers except a brief mention by Anak Bangsa Malaysia here, should be made known as it casts further doubt on Dr Pornthip's reputation. The case has an eerie parallel to that of Teoh Beng Hock (TBH), which led to Dr Pornthip being probed for breaching medical ethics by the Thai Medical Council.
The Hangthong Thammawattana Case
In September 1999, Hangthong Thammawattana was found shot in his younger brother’s (Noppadol Thammawattana) bedroom clutching a gun in his hand. Hangthong Thammawattana was the administrator of his family’s vast fortunes.
The first autopsy conducted by the Thai police found that Hangthong committed suicide. The case was closed as a suicide.
Dr Pornthip did not agree to the police findings. Her team, which included Scottish pathologist Dr Adrian Linacre, then conducted a second autopsy and concluded that Hangthong was murdered. Dr Pornthip went public in announcing her findings. Noppadol was subsequently arrested in 2003 for allegedly conspiring to murder his elder brother Hangthong.
In his defence, Noppadol sought and obtained court permission for the third autopsy that took place on January 2006. The third autopsy was headed by Sawet Kanluan, a forensic pathologist based in Chicago, and was jointly carried out by a team of forensic physicians from five universities a month later. The findings of the third autopsy was consistent with the first, i.e. suicide. The team also included American criminalist Henry C. Lee, who likewise concluded that Hangthong's death was a suicide.
Interestingly, the experts who conducted the third autopsy are people who had taught Dr Pornthip (i.e. they were her teachers!). In his testimony in court (read here), Dr Supoj Jamsuwan, deputy head of Chulalongkorn University’s Department of Forensic Medicine, said
"...respected experts from Chulalongkorn, Khon Kaen, Chiang Mai and Mahidol universities had jointly conducted the third autopsy. 'Some of them are those who have taught Khunying Pornthip, Supoj said. Without mentioning anyone by name, he said someone viewed Thailand’s forensic science as lacking standards and had tried to set the standards herself.
Dr Supoj was, needless to say, referring to Dr Pornthip when he alluded to "someone...had tried to set the standards herself."
Consequently, Noppadol was acquitted of Hangthong's murder by the Thai Criminal Court. The court ruled that substantial evidences showed that Hangthong committed suicide (read here).
Following his acquittal, Noppadol filed a defamation lawsuit, claiming over one billion baht of damage, against Dr Porntip and Dr Thamrong Chirachariyavej, the physician who also performed Hangthong’s autopsy with her, for giving a false autopsy report of his brother Hangthong. However, a Provincial Court cleared Dr Pornthip of defaming Noppadol (read here). The court says Dr Pornthip did not break any academic principle in doing her work and her statement was made in a professional capacity.
Probe into Dr Porntip's Alleged Breach of Medical Ethics
However, that did not stop Noppadol from filing in September 2007 a complaint with the Thai Medical Council to launch an investigation as to whether Dr Porntip had breached the medical ethics related to her autopsy of Hangthong (read here and here).
Professor Amnaj Kulsalanan, Secretary-General of the Medical Council, said a committee of the council would investigate the issue and that he had sought the opinion of the Thai Royal College of Pathology as well as of the complainant and Dr Pornthip.
Professor Amnaj said the committee would find out whether the autopsy carried out by Dr Porntip was up to standard; whether she had honestly issued the certificate of the autopsy result; and whether Dr Porntip's action had violated the autopsy standard of the Royal College of Pathology or not. If Dr Pornthip is found to have breached ethics, she faces punishment ranging from a written warning to removal of her medical licence.
Professor Amnaj said that the investigation would take time as the panel would have to listen to opinions from two sides, adding that it would be completed within the year (i.e. 2007).
However, this writer has searched the internet to find out the results of the investigation but found none. It can be presumed therefore that the investigation is still on-going and that the Council has not reached a verdict.
What can be concluded from the above is that
- Dr Pornthip erred in her second autopsy, forcing the court to order a third autopsy which found that Hangthong committed suicide (the same conclusion arrived at by the first autopsy). Regardless of what one may say about the Hangthong case, nothing can take away from the fact that Dr Pornthip did make a mistake. If we relate this to TBH case, what guarantee do we have that she will not make the same mistake? What guarantee do we have that other interested parties will not file for a third autopsy if they find it necessary to contest her findings. It is in this context that Rocky's proposal has a strong case. Someone must monitor her autopsy.
- Dr Pornthip is still under investigation for the alleged breach of medical ethics in conducting the second autopsy. Whatever the outcome of the investigation, the fact that she is being probed would be enough to cast doubt on her character and integrity. More importantly, can our court allow the second autopsy to be performed while she is still under investigation by the Thai Medical Council? What does our law says with regard to this situation?
The TBH case is being dragged far longer than it should, all because Gobind & Co - and the opposition camp in general - treat it as a political game. The Coroner must put a stop to this and force a final closure.
Salam Tuan,
ReplyDeleteI came to know Dr PORNthip from Astro 732, she is a kind of maverick and unorthodox forensic expert.
Salam Singh,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comment. Nice of you to drop by.
Agree with your comment. What you said is exactly what you will find if you do a google search on Dr Pornthip.
even thou we get the world top forensic expert to do the autopsy, it mean nothing because the people already lost trust in our local judiciary and criminal system. the truth will not come out in near future.
ReplyDeleteOne nust be objective when one look at scientific reports
ReplyDeleteespecially evidences gathered by 2 malaysian professional
doctors=not 2 constables. From the data [observations, photos]
that the malaysian doctors made, the good doctor Pornthip made
her inferences.
The malaysian doctors were certainly not incompetent. For reasons
best known to them they did not shout out their inferences
that is similar to Dr Pornthip's. For one thing they were
silent when Dr Pornthip made the 'surprising' observations and
arrived at her conclusion. As an illustration- Dr P could not have
made an inference that tbh's arse was shafted with a hard object unless
the statemnt to that effect was already in the pathologists's report.
It would appear strange that a paper would go out of its way to
do reasearch merely to give a dubious complexion to Dr P's inferences.
This would raise more questions .For one does the Macc need an
advocate to fight for them in the court of public opinion?
notoktok
This example, even if true is irrelevant to TBH case...FU ROCKY
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ReplyDelete""The team also included American criminalist Henry C. Lee, who likewise concluded that Hangthong's death was a suicide.""
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Judge: Dr. Henry Lee Hid Evidence
Friday May 25, 2007
In a stunning ruling, the judge in the Phil Spector murder trial ruled that a world famous forensic scientist removed and hid evidence from the crime scene. After hearings outside the presence of the jury, Judge Larry Fidler said he was convinced Dr. Henry Lee removed the evidence, but he stopped short of holding him in contempt.
A question is "a white object with a rough edge" that a witness said she saw Dr. Lee pick up from the floor of the foyer of Spector's mansion and place into a small vial. The prosecution claims it was a piece of Lana Clarkson's fingernail that might have had traces of a bullet on it, which would indicate she did not shoot herself.
Making the claim more credible is the fact that the witness who said she saw Dr. Lee pick up the white object was at the time an attorney working for Spector's defense team, Sara Caplan.
Judge Fidler said she was the only witness who testified during the hearings that he found "completely credible." The judge said, "If Dr. Lee has this object, he's to produce it forthwith."
Dr. Lee denies that he found any such evidence.
Meanwhile, jurors saw crime scene photos of Clarkson's bloody body and heard from the paramedic who pronounced her dead at the scene. The trial has been postponed until after the long holiday weekend.
(end)
the one and the same
10:57 PM
comment from rockybru site
the thai case is not as simple at it seems. Lots of money involved and the cops there, well they murdered a muslim lawyer and who brought them to justice by saying it was not suicide etc..go check
rocky (IGC),
ReplyDeleteThe third autopsy was conducted by a team. The other members of the team are reputable people. Casting doubt on Dr Lee does not mean that the same doubt can be cast on the other members. Further, the court accepted the team's findings. If you have proof that these other members are "disreputable", I would certainly like to hear it.
What if Dr. Lee had concluded that Hangthong was murdered - the same findings as Dr Pornthip's? Would you would have posted your piece?
You said "Lots of money involved and the cops there, well they murdered a muslim lawyer and who brought them to justice by saying it was not suicide etc...go check."
If you are implying that there were also "lots of money involved" in the Hangthong case, again where's your proof? The truth in the Hangthong case was, Dr Pornthip erred in her autopsy findings. That's what my post seeks to show. She may have brought the people involved in the Muslim lawyer's murder case to justice - which make her reputable in your eyes - but in the Hangthong case, her findings was overturned by equally reputable experts (minus Dr Lee if I were to accept your opinion).
DR PORN ARRESTED FOR INVOLVMENT IN RUMORS OF THAI KING DEATH TO PROFIT IN STOCK
ReplyDeleteSepandai-pandai cinma kelingh melompat, akhirnya jatug terkena mata sepet juga!
"BANGKOK – Forensic expert Dr Khunying Rojanansunanwas arrested today in a sweeping police action designed to put an end to malicious rumors about His Majesty the King’s health, which were blamed for a sell-off in the SET last month. "...
__"However, police believe that, if applied to sensitive topics, the statement might cause panic and disorder among the Thai public, which could threaten national security. "__
__"After her arrest, Dr Pornthip made a brief statement in which she pledged her loyalty to His Majesty the King but stood by her statement__
__She was immediately charged on a second count of violating Article 14 of the computer law by circulating false information concerning His Majesty.__
www.notthenation.com/pages/news/getnews.php?id=834
this siamese bitch dokter has finally been put a stop to. not only she insulted the king, she is also a big time share manipulator. now she has been punisher!
and the best of it blows up in the pigfaces of the fakatan scum!!
takber!
unspinner fans, you are clearly a racist person......and it goes both way! In the world there's no more King, it is feudal system. In Malaysia, they have to feed 14 of them....the most Kings in the country.
ReplyDeleteThis is the same trick used by Kuala Dimensi CEO to attack MCA head because of the PKFZ issue. You ruin the personality of the person so that whatever statement she makes become unreliable......OLD TRICK
ReplyDeleteI think we should let more foreign professional to scrutinise the capability and fairness of our Malaysian system. With more scrutinise pressure I'm sure the system will improve. This is human nature lah. More scrutinise more improvement. More KPI more quality and productive.
ReplyDeleteDr. Lee told me personally that my son, who was then studying in Connecticut in criminal justice, was a good student - but Lee never met him! So...
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